Ordination?!?!
So here is the question and I am very eager to read what the very intellectual people who read this blog have to say about it. In the church that I serve in we have been having some discussions as of late regarding me. Seems like there are some questions on whether I am "allowed" (for lack of a better word) to preform some of the sacrements of the church. The reason this becomes a discussion is because I am not ordained.
This is where my questions start. I guess my lack of knowledge of what ordination really means and the value of it make for this discussion in the church difficult. It seems to me to be an old practice, that is what the discussion at church seems to focus on, but I also feel like it has some sort of important. Sometimes it feels like some sort of hoop to jump through to be able to do more things or to earn that "title" or something and for these reasons I question the validity. However, the people in the church seem to think it has some great value but aren't completely clear on what that is.
So I ask you, the reader, what is th point and what does it mean?
Thansk for your input,
md
This is where my questions start. I guess my lack of knowledge of what ordination really means and the value of it make for this discussion in the church difficult. It seems to me to be an old practice, that is what the discussion at church seems to focus on, but I also feel like it has some sort of important. Sometimes it feels like some sort of hoop to jump through to be able to do more things or to earn that "title" or something and for these reasons I question the validity. However, the people in the church seem to think it has some great value but aren't completely clear on what that is.
So I ask you, the reader, what is th point and what does it mean?
Thansk for your input,
md
posted by YootguyMark at
9:19 AM
7 Comments:
I'm not really sure of all of the specifics of what ordination precisely means. I think, historically, some have been a little unsure of it because it seems to set certain people 'apart' in a way that minimizes the priesthood of all believers.
I think we do this anyways, the distinction is just between those who are paid and those who are not. The Christians who are 'really good at it' get paid for it (pastors). If ordination opens some doors I don't see it as a huge obstacle. But, again, I don't know a lot about this history of this question.
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Gil, at 9:21 AM
Mark you know I got a problem with ordination cause i see it as a status/pride thing. To me it would be embarrassing to go through this process just so i could get a few extra shifts on the power play but whatever
about the only way i would consider this is a humble obedience to those in authority over you in the church. I could respect that...
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Increasing..., at 9:59 AM
Thanks guys!! So explain to me what ordination means in your mind? I understand, somewhat, I guess what the church in my situatiion sees it as but what is your perception on the whole thing. I guess I am not totally sure of where this concept came from or what it really is.
md
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YootguyMark, at 1:08 PM
* THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY ORDER IN
THE ECONOMY OF SALVATION.
The priesthood of the Old Covenant.
1539- the chosen people was constituted by God " as a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." But within the people of Israel, God chose one of the 12 tribes, that of Levi, and set it apart for liturgical service...A special rite consecrated the beginnings of the priesthood of the Old Covenant. The priests are appointed to act on behalf of mankind in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.
1540- Instituted to proclaim the Word of God and to restore communion with God by sacrifices and prayer, this priesthood nevertheless remains powerless to bring about salvation, needing to repeat its sacrifices ceaselessly and being unable to acheive a definitive sanctification, which only the sacrifice of Christ would accomplish.
1541- The liturgy of the Church however, sees in the priesthood of Aaron and the service of the Levites, as in the institution of the seventy elders, a prefiguring of the ordained ministry of the New Covenant...
THE ONE PRIESTHOOD
1544- Everything that the priesthood of the Old Covenant prefigured finds its fullfillment in Christ Jesus, the "one mediator between God and men." The Christian tradition considers Melchizedek, "priest of the God most high," as a prefiguration of the priesthood of Christ, the unique "high priest after the order of Melchizedek; holy, blameless, unstained," by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified, by the unique sacrifice of the cross.
1545- The redemptive sacrifice of Christ is unique, accomplished once for all; yet it is made present in the Eucharistic sacrifice of the church. The same is true of the one priesthood of Christ; it is made present through the ministerial priesthood without diminishing the uniqueness of Christ's priesthood: "Only Christ is the true priest, the others being only ministers."
TWO PARTICIPATIONS IN THE ONE PRIESTHOOD OF CHRIST.
1546- Christ, high priest and unique mediator, has made of the Church "a kingdom, priests for his God and Father." The whole community of believers is, as such, priestly. The faithful exercise their baptismal priesthood through their participation, each according to his own vocation....
1547- The ministerial or hierarchical priesthood of bishops and priests, and the common priesthood of all the faithful participate, " each in its own proper way, in the one priesthood of Christ." While being "ordered, one to the other," they differ essentially. In what sense? While the common priesthood of the faithful is exercised by the unfolding of baptismal grace- a life of faith, hope and charity, a life according to the Spirit, the ministerial priesthood is at the service of the common priesthood. It is directed at the unfolding of the baptismal grace of all Christians. The ministerial priesthood is a means by which Christ unceasingly builds up and leads his Church. For this reason it is transmitted by its own sacrament, the sacrament of Holy Orders.
*From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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Anonymous, at 8:34 AM
BAsically your a bad pastor if you dont... hhahaha...in menno churches it shows to some boards that you know what your talking about! your theology is up to par...
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Paul, at 11:24 AM
take a look at these lengthy explanations:
http://www.bgc.ca/NewFiles/Ordination12pg.pdf
(this one refutes ordination of women but explains ordination first)
http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/ss/ss2.html
http://www.mbherald.com/42/16/news-2.en.html
hope this helps a bit
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Anonymous, at 8:44 AM
best regards, nice info » » »
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